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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!").
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
  2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  8. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
  10. If a proposal with only two voting options has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail with a margin of at least three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
  11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
  12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  18. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "June 6, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
  5. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Split Mario Kart Tour character variants into list articles, Tails777 (ended May 4, 2022)
Classify the Just Dance series as a guest appearance, Spectrogram (ended April 27, 2023)
Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023)
Add tabbers to race/battle course articles, GuntherBB (ended November 18, 2023)
Remove elemental creatures categories from various Super Mario RPG enemies, Swallow (ended January 11, 2024)
Merge Super Mario Bros. (film) subjects with their game counterparts, JanMisali (ended April 18, 2024)
Remove profiles and certain other content related to the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia from the wiki, Koopa con Carne (ended April 30, 2024)
Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Consider "humorous" and other related terms as frequently misused in MarioWiki:Good writing, DrippingYellow (ended May 28, 2024)
  • ^Note: Requires action from admins.

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Add product IDs in game infoboxes, Windy (ended March 18, 2023)
Split Special Shot into separate articles by game, Technetium (ended September 30, 2023)
Convert the lists of episode appearances for television series characters into categories, Camwoodstock (ended November 22, 2023)
Split the Jungle Buddies from Animal Friends, DrippingYellow (ended December 22, 2023)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Split Mario's Time Machine (Nintendo Entertainment System), or the Super Nintendo Entertainment version along with both console versions of Mario is Missing!, LinkTheLefty (ended April 11, 2024)
Remove non-Super Mario content from Super Smash Bros. series challenges articles, BMfan08 (ended May 3, 2024)
Split Cheep Blimp (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) and Zeeppelin from the blimp page, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended May 28, 2024)

List of talk page proposals

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Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

Create an archive system for talk page proposals

Once more, with feeling. I'm aware of the previous failed proposal, but frankly, I don't agree with the opposition. Yes, talk page proposals don't affect as many pages as regular proposals (usually), but at the same time, they're still affecting pages, and that can easily have repercussions as well as set a precedent for the future. If a user is unsure if there's anything to support something that they want to do, they can look through the archive of proposals and see if any similar proposals have happened as well as their outcomes. That's certainly something I've done with the regular proposals, so I don't think it's unreasonable to do the same for talk page proposals. To use a concrete example, for my proposal on implied subjects, I had to dig through history pages and rely on my terrible memory to find talk page proposals that were relevant to my own; why not make the process simpler? Also, pointing people to the category as a suitable substitute when it gives no details about the content of the proposals, when they happened, what their outcome was, or even if multiple proposals happened on the same page is not satisfactory for me. Banana's talk page has six separate proposals (and it's hardly the only one of its kind), but that fact becomes completely obfuscated if we only use the category. Also, if we relied on categories for everything, we wouldn't have navigation templates. Besides, this only requires a single page.

Like the original proposal, I'm not planning on literally making an archive that houses every talk page proposal: I want to create a page that emulates MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive, but instead of linking to subpages with every proposal, I would be simply linking to the original talk pages. This gives added clarification and convenience, and I really don't see why we shouldn't have it.

Proposer: Time Turner (talk)
Deadline: August 11, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Time Turner (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Alex95 (talk) - I was thinking about making a proposal like this myself, but I wasn't sure how to go about it. I get lost looking for TPPs, especially if it's one I wasn't aware existed in the first place (and there have been a few occasions where finding a past TPP would've help me, but I just couldn't find it). A condensed page similar to the main proposal archive can work, so I support.
  3. Yoshi the SSM (talk) I really see the benefit of this. Per all.
  4. Niiue (talk) Per all.
  5. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
  6. Supermariofan67 (talk) Per all.
  7. Baby Luigi (talk) I don't like the argument that "it's not hard to find TPPs" which was the primary reason to oppose in the previous proposal. History has shown and some users stated, yes, it IS harder to find the proposals by browsing through an endless assortment of pages listed by categories. And I don't understand why we can't take the time and effort to improve navigation and organization of these things: depending on your perspective, TPPs can be more major than main space proposals, and it has spawned paragraphs and paragraphs of discussion. Plus, I don't see how lesser importance means that we should completely ignore still facets that have an influence in changing around policy, regardless of scale. I say, the correct move is to take effort and organize them better and it'd would benefit pretty much everyone in the long-term.
  8. Wildgoosespeeder (talk) {{SettledTPP}} with its category Category:Settled talk page proposals is insufficient compared to MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive.
  9. Chester Alan Arthur (talk) I agree from a navigational perspective this would be much better.
  10. Ghost Jam (talk) Per all.
  11. Tucayo (talk) - Per TT.
  12. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per all, especially Baby Luigi.
  13. Jazama (talk) Per all

Oppose

Comments

I think you should have drafted a sandbox page for this before you made a proposal out of it, see what it looks like before we cast a vote on this. BabyLuigiFire.png Ray Trace(T|C) 22:50, 4 August 2017 (EDT)

It's ostensibly going to be the same as MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive, just with different links. Still, I can try to quickly whip something up. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:52, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
I have a very rough draft here: it'll obviously be increased and adjusted as time goes on. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:56, 4 August 2017 (EDT)

Now that I'm going through the talk page proposals, I'm noticing that there are a few proposals that are canceled and then immediately put into effect, usually because the proposed change is valid but the whole proposal process is unnecessary. Would anyone object if I added a color for these situations? I'm thinking mauve would look alright (and it's on the mock-up; search for Axem or Gargantua). Hello, I'm Time Turner. 11:02, 5 August 2017 (EDT)

I think white would be better, as mauve might be confusing for color-blind people (like me) with purple. I think blue is what's normally used in this case, though. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 11:42, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
Blue is meant for proposals that fail, but whose proposed changes are later implemented anyways. A canceled proposal is different from a failed proposal - that's why we have both red and pink. I can definitely change the color, but since white is also what generically appears if a color hasn't been inputted correctly, I think that might be confusing. EDIT: Actually, if we're concerning ourselves with colorblindness, then the current color system has its own issues. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 11:46, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
Here is a suggestion. If a proposal was cancelled but changes took place after the proposal, than it would be light blue. It's not much of a difference, but a difference nevertheless. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 17:39, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
It'd be hard to distinguish between light blue and regular blue at a glance, especially since our current blue is already fairly light. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:41, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
We could use black, but then the text would have to change accordingly. As for blue, apparently the color we're using is lighter than the #0000FF code for standard blue. So with that in mind, maybe dark blue? Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 17:50, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
If the blue's too dark, then we come to the same issue as using black (and in fact, the standard "DarkBlue" or "Navy" is definitely too dark). The template also isn't currently set up for changing the text color, and in any case, I think that it'd be best to keep the text uniform. For now, I've thrown more colors onto the table at the top for demonstrative purposes. If you have a particular color in mind, this website works well for testing how it would like against black text. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 18:11, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
The problem I think we're having is we've used all the basic colors; any others we chose aside from a very light or a very dark color will end up looking close to ones we're already using. Dark blue doesn't look too bad, imo, though ivory, light yellow, slate, and chartreuse (as ugly as that is) are some other possible options. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:23, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
It'd be more convenient if you could provide hex color codes that show exactly what you're talking about, if you don't mind. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 18:32, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
Ivory: #FFFFF0, Light yellow: #FFFFE0, Slate: #708090, and Chartreuse: #7FFF00. The dark blue I was thinking of was actually Dark cyan, my mistake there: #008B8B. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:41, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
Threw all of those colors up there for good measure. Now that they're all up there, I'm partial to dark cyan. Everything else is either illegible or too similar to another (established) color. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 18:47, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
darkcyan looks the best out of them all, imo. Is there a chance this new parameter could be added to main proposals as well, just in case something like that happens here in the future? Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:51, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
I'll start using that for now, then (although I'll call the parameter "teal" for convenience). I'll leave the discussion of implementing it with the main proposals to you administrators. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 19:00, 5 August 2017 (EDT)

Removals

Delete the RPG Item categories

(borrowing my argument from here)

Both Category: RPG Items - General and Category:RPG Items - Special are inconsistent with the rest of the wiki. We don't have categories for platformer items or sports items, nor do we have broad RPG categories for characters or enemies or any other subject. At best, we only have categories that encompass a series (for example, Category:Mario & Luigi Series Enemies branches off into the game-specific enemy categories), but nothing that's solely based on genre. Every item in these categories already has a home in another, more specific and more helpful item category. Nothing is gained from having them, and nothing would be lost if they were deleted.

Proposer: Time Turner (talk)
Deadline: August 16, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Delete

  1. Time Turner (talk) Per my proposal.
  2. Niiue (talk) Per proposal.
  3. Chester Alan Arthur (talk) Per proposal.
  4. Yoshi the SSM (talk) Why do we have this? I know RPGs are special because they give meaning to items, but a wiki shouldn't just put them all together in one category and call it a day. Even look at this if you want to know why. Per proposal
  5. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
  6. Baby Luigi (talk) Per proposal.
  7. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Also take a look at this page.
  8. Jazama (talk) Per all

Don't delete

Comments

Changes

Merge Super Mario Sunshine sub-level articles into their missions' articles

We currently have articles for various sub-levels from Super Mario Sunshine (e.g. Sand Portal, Bottle). These are obviously just artifacts from before the game's missions were split off. Now that we have the mission articles, the sub-level articles themselves are completely obsolete; we now have several pairs of articles covering the exact same thing. Some of them even have conjectural names derived right from the mission names (Hotel Lobby's Secret, Shell's Secret), which not only emphasizes the redundancy but adds confusion. So any relevant content on these articles not already on the mission articles should just be moved to those. It's not like we generally have separate articles for sub-levels anyway; we don't have articles for Shifting Sand Land's pyramid or Lethal Lava Land's volcano.

Here are what the results of this proposal will be if it passes:

The secret levels in Delfino Plaza (Super Slide, Pachinko Game, Lily Pad Ride, Turbo Track, Red Coin Field) are not affected by this proposal. They fall under the same category as levels like The Princess's Secret Slide and The Secret Under the Moat, and should stay.

Proposer: 7feetunder (talk)
Deadline: August 12, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. 7feetunder (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Niiue (talk) Per proposal.
  3. Yoshi the SSM (talk) Per Proposal
  4. Baby Luigi (talk) Some of these names aren't even "names" per se, they're just descriptive locations, like hillside cave. Anyway, most of these are pretty much the equivalent of our planet sections in the Super Mario Galaxy articles, so I think a merge is sufficient.
  5. Alex95 (talk) - The mission articles go into detail about the secret areas anyway. Support.
  6. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
  7. Mister Wu (talk) If we can indeed cover the sub-levels in the mission pages without losing any amount of relevant detail and without creating pages that are too long and difficult to browse, I definitely support the idea of writing everything in one page.
  8. Toadette the Achiever (talk) So long as mission/episode articles are not affected (which looks like they'll stay), per proposal!
  9. Jazama (talk) Per all

Oppose

  1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) I think the Episode description should describe the entire mission, including getting to the secret, but not getted bogged down with every geographical detail of said secret level's layout, which the article for the secret area should have instead.

Comments

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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